The Scott catalogue mentions "Counterfeits of Nos. 1-8 are plentiful.".
Unfortunately it does not help by pointing out what to look for in order to recognise the real thing.
Does anyone know if the stamps shown below are real or forged?
Retired Ap. Book Mod, Pres Golden Gate Stamp Club, Hi Tech Consultant 14 Oct 2013 03:54:57pm
re: Sudan overprint of Egyptian stamps: real or fake
I have the same problem, but at least I can identify the blatant fakes..here the two Inverted O/P. In the second photo, there is a mix of real and counterfeit, by my opinion, and I look at the spacing between letters (U and D in particular) and the spacing between arabic and latin characters, as well as the alignment of the two lines. My guess; my #4 and #5 are fakes, and the others are probably genuine (#2 is doubtful).
But there are really good fakes as well!
rrr...
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re: Sudan overprint of Egyptian stamps: real or fake
As I understand the "SÉRANE" explanation, it's by comparing the stamps.... that you can see the differences,the main thing said in this book is that the false overprint have been made at GENEVA on original used stamps with Egypt cancellation....
re: Sudan overprint of Egyptian stamps: real or fake
Hi Jacques,
Merci beaucoup! I understand French enough to read it. Speaking is more difficult. I suppose the real challenge with these overprints is finding real ones that can be used as a benchmark...
re: Sudan overprint of Egyptian stamps: real or fake
This is a set that remains on my list of "things to look into later".
Several different fakes exist. The fakes outnumber the genuine, but as with the Persian stamps, you can usually expect a mix of genuine and fakes in the same batch (my opinion, no statistical evidence to back it up).
You have to be little careful when comparing to a known genuine stamp. You might be able to confirm it is genuine, but just because it doesn't look exactly the same doesn't mean it is a fake. Genuine overprints come in 6 types, and there is more than one setting, not to mention varieties that have been confirmed as genuine. If you really want to get into it (I wish I had the time and the health), you might want to consider the Sudan Study Group.
re: Sudan overprint of Egyptian stamps: real or fake
On Ralph's stamps, I agree #4 and #5 are fakes, in addition to the 2 inverted overprints. I would say #1 is likely a fake as well (or maybe a genuine type/variety I am unaware of), and #2 looks suspicious. On those 2 stamps (and on cancelled stamps in general), you can check to see if the cancel is over or beneath the overprint. My non-expert opinion, as I haven't really studied these overprint/fake history in detail.
Retired Ap. Book Mod, Pres Golden Gate Stamp Club, Hi Tech Consultant 15 Oct 2013 12:54:27pm
re: Sudan overprint of Egyptian stamps: real or fake
Thanks Kim:
Not sure about #2...but also not sure about #1, since the cancellation is on top of the O/P..so I still think "genuine"...but I do hear you!
#3 seems to be the only clearly genuine one...and I happen to have 2 samples, with the second one clearly a counterfeit, as the o/p sit visibly on top of the cancellation...I just did not post a picture, but can if anyone is intrigued.
I have been looking for the 1-8 Sudan stamps for a while, but won't pay the price without a certificate, and most of what I see at auction and on the internet is just worth nothing like the asking prices (unless you specialize in counterfeit).
This brought me back to some Lebanon stamps I labeled as fakes, but now I think it may be a paper variety, post world war II, but there is no mention of it in my sources... I will start a new thread on the topic, and would appreciate any comments.
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re: Sudan overprint of Egyptian stamps: real or fake
Since the fake overprints are applied to previously cancelled stamps, I wonder: Are any of the affordably-priced USB microscopes of high enough resolution to be able to discern if the overprint ink lies atop the cancellation ink?
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I would say that the 1st 13 stamps are genuine. They are reasonably common and there are several settings. The postmarks, when reasonably clear, give a good indication. They are listed in standard catalogues.
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I have the same problem, but at least I can identify the blatant fakes..here the two Inverted O/P. In the second photo, there is a mix of real and counterfeit, by my opinion, and I look at the spacing between letters (U and D in particular) and the spacing between arabic and latin characters, as well as the alignment of the two lines. My guess; my #4 and #5 are fakes, and the others are probably genuine (#2 is doubtful).
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