Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy.. 11 Oct 2013 01:37:32pm
re: Dennisen mounts
I am half way through my last bag.
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the real one...!!!! last spring I sold many of those enveloppes on Ebay, all sold at high price value... between 12$ to 19$ each enveloppe (1000)... I haver to look with a friend hou could possibly have some more for sale. If so, I will put them on SOR auction...
hi Liz, Sorry I did not realise that the first email was for "Dennissen" your wright, the reel one is DENNISSON" that wath I am talking about in my previous email... ... similar to yours... I try to put a scan but it's to big, I'll produce an other one and send it later....
Liz - you are right, in their day they were expensive, but at even today's inflationary prices I would love to still have these fine hinges. The adhesive on today's hinges is unforgiveable and like permanent ink, nasty stuff. It is why I use mounts on everything now, even used crappy and almost worthless stuff. Maybe some day they will worthy of the same inflationary factor as the hinges are ?????? Can you imagine someday that anything unhinged would sell at a great premium, regardless of what it is !!!! Certainly not in my lifetime that I have left, but someone might really benefit from my using mounts instead of hinges. I still like to mount the mounts with hinges because the mount adhesives are worse than the hinge adhesives.
I think we can all agree that advances in technology are great, but somehow we lost the battle when it came to hinges. The old Dennison's were the Cadillac and still are as far as I am concerned. Some things are just better off left alone.
Well, I just learned something new today--I bought a couple of the Dennisen mount packets thinking they were the same thing. My bad. I definitely paid more than they were worth! I don't know what the Dennison mounts do, but I can tell you the Dennisen hinges curl something awful.
Is it a good suggestion to toss these and start over buying a pack of Dennison hinges?
I have purchased several packages of the original Dennison hinges from $9 to $12 well worth it. I cut them in half, so my 5000 hinge hoard is now 10,000
Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy.. 19 Oct 2013 04:16:04pm
re: Dennisen mounts
Tickling the memory nerve again.
Didn't the APS acquire the original DenniSON's machinery and try valiantly to make them work successfully ? Or was it someone like Mystic ?
As I recall they finally got one of the retired hinge machine mechanics to look at the settings and adjustments. Then there was some discussion about some slide surface that was worn out and no amount of adjustment could compensate for that. A replacement part would have cost a small fortune to create properly by a skilled iron worker at a forge.
Does anyone recall that attempt ?
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re: Dennisen mounts
I believe it was Subway, Charlie.
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I agree with Bobby, I believe it was Subway, who then named them Dennis Son, or something silly like that. There was even a picture on the package of supposedly Dennis's Son!
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy.. 20 Oct 2013 12:36:31pm
re: Dennisen mounts
Okay, that sounds right, Subway in Altoona.
I guess they made a determined but futile effort, but not every story ends with the hero rescuing the fair Rapunzel moments before the wicked ogre shaves her head.
For the record, I have been using "Supersafe" hinges, made in Germany, which cost about $3.00 a pack. They work reasonably well as long as the hinges not immediately needed are kept in the envelope, squeezed between something that keeps them from curling up in a thousand tiny rolls. I made a small sleeve out of the corner from an express mail cardboard envelope, just a little bigger than the hinge pack, reinforced by shipping tape that holds the open hinge envelope tightly. Then I only pull out ten or twenty at a time to use, before they commence the rolling ritual.
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They are curling from the humidity. Perhaps (and I haven't tried this), but placing one or two or those anti-humidity silicon packs that are in medicine bottles and other containers might help?
I find that the Supersafe hinges are similar to Prinz. However, Supersafe is marketed in the US by Vidiforms (Showgard people), so I doubt they are Prinz.
I have 2 packets of Dennison's stamp hinges that the packet is green with 750 hinges with the marking No 4 Dennison Manufacturing Co of Canada Ltd. Drummondville, Que. Got those 2 packets in the early 1960's. They are still unopened. Still don't know if they are the real one.!!!
if it's from Drummonville, Qc, Canada it should be the real one....
the Dennison should came from Framingham, Mass. USA or From Drummonville Qc, Canada
Awesome! The unopened package I found in one of my old stamp albums are Dennison mounts! And yes, if they do still make them (the real one) and their quality hasn't faltered (big question), I am quite happy to pay extra $$ for them.
They are no longer manufactured (sigh...). There is a supply of them being offered by some, but at inflated prices due to the demand. This has been going on for a long time, so there must be an ample supply still available, but you have to pay for it.
I have been working on breaking down a couple of old collections these past few weeks (1950s to 1970s time frame). All the stamps were mounted with hinges that must have been similar to the old Dennison hinges. It generally took just a slight tug to get the hinge to release from the album page and then the hinge very easily pealed from the back the stamp. It did not matter if the stamp was mint with full gum, the hinge still easily pealed from the stamp with just a very slight mark left on the gum. On some stamps I could not even tell if the stamp had been hinged once the hinge was removed.
If only all stamp hinges behaved in this manner!
The really old collections (pre-1940 and especially pre-1920) and the newest (post-1980) that used stamp hinges both have the same problem - it is impossible to remove the hinge safely from the stamp and the hinge will leave part of itself behind on the album page.
I had plans a number of years ago to mount all of my used stamps using only stamp hinges while my mint stamps would be mounted with Showgard-style mounts. I gave up on using the standard stamp hinges for my used stamps, however, when I couldn't easily remove stamps from the album page to replace when I obtained a better copy of the stamp. I then switched from the Showgard-style stamp mounts (sealed top and bottom with a slit back) to the open-top Davo mounts. With the open-top mounts it is just as easy to adjust the mount height as it is the width, just trim the excess off. So I only use five mount sizes to house all but the very biggest souvenir sheets (full page size).
The switch-out I just mentioned is why I sold off all of those Showgard-style mounts in auction a few months ago. Now I just have to sell off my no-longer-needed hinges (Prinz and Fold-O-Hinge brands). While I purchased the Prinz hinges from a dealer 15 or so years ago, the Fold-O-Hinges I believe I found while breaking down a large lot purchased in an auction. The Fold-O-Hinges have old-style-looking packaging with a 1955 registration mark on the front. Does anyone have any experience with these Fold-O-Hinge hinges? They were manufactured by Harold Cohn & Co in Chicago.
I should get them listed in auctions later this week. Will list both the Fold-O-Hinge brand and the Prinz hinges.
I never did try to use the Fold-O-Hinges, so I had no idea how well they performed. The Prinz hinges performed about as well as other modern stamp hinges, very poorly.
If I remember correctly, Subway bought the machinery that was used to make the original Dennison hinges, They were planning to duplicate the original adhesive formulas but ran into environmental and USDA issues. I believe that they eventually ended up with the Dennis Son brand.
Subway came up with two different hinges. One was for stamps with no gum, and the other was for gummed stamps. Neither worked worth a darn. The machine, to my knowledge resides in parts in a corner of Subway's facility. You are right where subway was unable to duplicate the gum using the original 3M formula due to a known potential for causing cancer.