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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Mystery Turkey ?

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rrraphy
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05 Jan 2020
01:00:59am
Possibly fiscal, but I am a bit taken back by the cancellations as well.
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05 Jan 2020
07:15:49am
re: Mystery Turkey ?

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About the only cool thing I think I know about Islamic stamps'n'coins is that the squiggle in the middle is the "calligraphic monogram" (signature/logo) of Sultan Somebody ... in the images above, that would be Sultan Somebody & Sultan Somebody Else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughra

As you can plainly see, to the less-schooled eye, they all look alike, even after you list them, one after the other:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sultans_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

https://www.tugra.org/ ... more better

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey (who will not embarrass himself further by asking if that is a Bulgarian overprint)

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05 Jan 2020
08:30:32am
re: Mystery Turkey ?

https://www.tugra.org/?lang=en

As Ikey pointed out, this is a very interesting site...

and quite educational.

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lerivage
05 Jan 2020
12:20:05pm

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For me the overprint looks in Armenian alphabet

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rrraphy
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05 Jan 2020
01:05:26pm
re: Mystery Turkey ?

I found a similar stamp (different color and denomination) on hipstamp described as follows: Turkey Ottoman Empire 1898 2pa Newspaper and Advertisement Revenue USED IN SYRIA.
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But I wonder if the cancellation is indeed Bulgarian or from another Ottoman Empire country?

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05 Jan 2020
01:26:10pm
re: Mystery Turkey ?

If I may venture a guess: The stamps in the first post were cancelled by the newsprint. It was apparently not uncommon for newspaper (revenue) stamps to be stuck to the paper sheets before printing. And yes, the printed text is in Armenian and Arabic letters.

There seems to me little doubt that the stamp in the last post above has been cancelled in Damascus.

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ikeyPikey
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05 Jan 2020
05:03:50pm
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Is anyone else thinking that the purple hand stamp was applied by THOS COOK & SON ?

If 'yes', could the DAMA be something other than DAMASCUS ?

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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Linus
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05 Jan 2020
07:50:34pm
re: Mystery Turkey ?

Yes, this is a cancel by Thomas Cook & Son Ltd., the London travel agent who operated cruises of the Nile River, Palestine, and Syria. I think it is Damascus, Syria revenue cancel, as they led tours to Damascus, and had branches throughout the world.

https://archive.org/stream/cookstouristsha13ltdgoog#page/n7/mode/2up


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ikeyPikey
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06 Jan 2020
12:08:09am
re: Mystery Turkey ?

"... Yes, this is a cancel by Thomas Cook & Son Ltd ..."



But what do those words even mean ?

Under what circumstances would a private office be applying a cancel ?

Did they apply (say) an Ottoman revenue stamp, and then cancel it, much the same as a bank might apply a documentary stamp and then cancel it ?

Or, were they applying a "received" (rubber) stamp, and just happened to hit the Ottoman stamp?

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey (to whom a wise man once said: never ask how they got that way)

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06 Jan 2020
05:04:15am
re: Mystery Turkey ?

If a revenue stamp was to be affixed to a document, it needed to be cancelled. Who else but the writer could do it? They could as well have written across it, but I suppose the office handstamp was quicker and easier.

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Linus
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06 Jan 2020
09:01:03am
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ikeyPikey -

Revenue stamps, when removed from their original documents, can loose their context, or their purpose of use. We can only speculate why a Thomas Cook & Son revenue/receit cancel from Damascus, Syria is on a Turkish revenue stamp.

TC & Son hauled passengers and freight on their own steamers and on contracted steamers, owned by other companies. They had offices around the world. Every passenger had a ticket. Every shipment of freight had a bill of lading. Every country charged taxes, which were collected through revenue stamps. Every TC & Son office had a rubber stamp to date when they received a shipment or to cancel the revenue/tax stamps when making a bill of lading.

"Or, were they applying a "received" (rubber) stamp, and just happened to hit the Ottoman stamp?"



Yes, that is probably what happened here, but only speculation.

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Linus
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06 Jan 2020
09:06:13am
re: Mystery Turkey ?

From eBay, here are examples of TC & Son rubber stamp cancellations from Madras and Rangoon. They had offices around the world.

I use these examples to show the pattern of their rubber stamp device layout. They seem to use "THOS. COOK & SON, LTD." over "insert a city name here."

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